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The Kansas connection from the Past
By: Max Reed
In Vol.1 No.42 of Footprints, correspondence between John Washington Harvey and a Thomas Harvey and Willie Harvey appears. This Harvey family is apparently related to the Wise County Thomas H. Harvey in someway not completely known. This family has been located in the census records. The Thomas Harvey in Kansas will be referred to as Thomas (Kansas) Harvey to distinguish him from Thomas H. Harvey.
The letters were written from Cheryvale Kansas, June 9, 1914; Liberty Kansas, October 7, 1914; and Liberty Kansas, July 23, 1915. John Washington Harvey had written to Willie (W. H.) Harvey in Collinsville, Indian Territory. Thomas (Kansas) Harvey's wife has initials m. J., her maiden name was M. J. Fulton. She is the mother of nine children, 4 girls living and one dead, three boys living and one dead. One boy is living at home on July 23, 1915, he was born November, 1899. Thomas Harvey will be 68 in August, so he was born in August 1847.
Cherryvale and Liberty Kansas are both in Montgomery County in the south east corner of Kansas, not far from where Uncle Jake Harvey was located in 1880. They are very near the western border of Labette County.
A check of the 1900 Kansas census revealed nothing. But since Willie had been in Collinsville, Oklahoma (about sixty miles south) the Oklahoma census was checked. This census has a family consisting of Thomas Harvey and Mary J. Harvey in the Ottowa Nation, a few tens of miles from both Jacob Harvey and Pleasant Harvey. This Thomas Harvey family has a son Willie. Two initials are given with the Willie name but they are obscure. Perhaps it is T. A., or J. A. or perhaps even H.
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Parents
Vol 17 ED 2 Sheet 16, Line 59 Birthplace
Ottawa Nation TWP 28 NR23E F M
Thomas Harvey M b. August 1850 Arkansas Age 49 Un Un
Mary J Harvey W b. May 1857 Missouri Age 43 Tenn Ill
Buxine A. D b. September 1880 Kansas Age 19 AR MO
Willie J. A. S b. October 1883 Missouri Age 16 AR MO
Ida A. D b. June 1886 Kansas Age 14 AR MO
Alta M. D b. January 1890 Kansas Age 10 AR MO
Mulva A. D b. September 1892 Ind Terr Age 7 AR MO
Robert R. S b. December 1897 Ind Terr Age 2 AR MO
*Thomas Harvey is listed as a Farmer who rents farm and can read and write.
Number of years married - 27. Mother of 8 children, Number of children
living - 7.
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There are two discrepancies in identifying this census record with the Thomas Harvey of Kansas. First the birth date is given as August 1850, not August 1847. This is really not unusual. Many men married to younger women shave a few years. There are census records where the person ages only four years in ten. The more serious problem is the missing male child born November 1899. He should be on this census as six months old. Either he was left off the census, or Mary didn't know the correct age of her own son. Could he have been only 15 in Nov of 1915? Either of these alternatives is difficult to accept The census lists Mary as the mother of 8 children, 7 living. It therefore seems that the male child must have been born after this census, in 1900 not 1899. (With 9 kids maybe you can forget!)
This Thomas Harvey was born in Arkansas, and Mary J. in Missouri. The birthplace of his parents is unknown. Thomas and Mary were in the following locations:
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Kansas - September 1880
Missouri - October 1883
Kansas - June 1886
Kansas - January 1890
Ind. Terr. - Sept 1892
Ind. Terr. - Dec 1897
This suggests looking in Kansas in the 1880 census (the 1890 census was destroyed by fire in Washington D.C. in 1923). Thomas is even younger in this census. There is also a one year discrepancy in Mary's age. We now have the names of 8 of Thomas' nine children. The ninth is the son born in Nov 1900. We can also deduce that it is his daughter Birta who dies between 1880 and 1900, and that either James or Robert dies between 1900 and 1915. Note in this census Thomas gives his birth place as Missouri, his father's birth place as Tennessee and his mothers birth place as Illinois. These latter two look a bit suspicious since they are exactly the same birth places as Mary's parents. Thomas is in Missouri when James is born in 1875 and in Kansas when Birta is born in 1878. We know from the 1900 census Thomas and Mary were married in 1873. It seems then logical to assume they were married in Missouri in 1873. James is born two years later in Missouri, and they move to Kansas between 1875 and 1880. Note Cherokee County, Kansas where Thomas lives in 1880 is only 10 miles from Webb City, MO. Where Uncle Pleas lives.
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Birthplace Est.
NAME RELATION AGE BIRTHPLACE F M YOB
Thomas Harvey 28 Missouri Tenn Ill (1852)
Mary J. W 22 Missouri Tenn Ill (1858)
James A. S 5 Missouri MO MO (1875)
Birta J. D 2 Kansas MO MO (1878)
Birth Year is estimated.
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If Thomas is born and married in Missouri, it seems logical to try to locate him in Dallas or Webster Counties, where the rest of the Harvey clan lived until sometime in the early 1860's.
As was stated in a previous article(Thomas H Harvey, More Discoveries), in 1870 there is only one Harvey family in either Dallas or Webster Co. This is Rebecca Harvey and her son Thomas. Thomas is listed here as 17 years old giving his birth year as 1852, assuming he gave his age correct as it was on July 1, census day. This agrees with the 1880 census which gave the birth year of 1852, but not with the 1900 census which gave 1850, nor with the letter which gave 1847. Also, Rebecca's birth place is given as Tennessee not Illinois as in the 1900 census.
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NAME AGE SEX birthplace OCCUPATION Est. YOB Rebecca Harvey 40 F Tennessee Keeping house (1830) Thomas Harvey 17 M Missouri Works on farm (1853) Birth year is estimated by author |
If this is the correct Thomas Harvey, then Rebecca could have married one of the Harvey boys, Joel, James, Bennet, Eubee (or Eirbee) after 1850. Thomas was born in 1852, and his father dies before 1860. Where ever they went or whatever happened to the rest of the Harveys, Rebecca stayed in Webster Co. This may be because she had her family there. It would seem unusual for a widow not to go with her husband's family otherwise. It would be very helpful to locate Rebecca in the 1860 census.
She was found in Dallas County near Long Lane post office. This is a town which exists today. She and Thomas are living with one Jane Dill, age 47. Could this be Rebecca's mother? Living next door to Jane is 24 year old George Dill and his wife Felez and son Joseph. Apparently he is Jane's son.
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Dallas County, Washington Township, Families #10 & 11, House #455 & 456
House NAME AGE SEX Birthplace Est YOB
455 - George L. Dill 24 M Tennessee 1836
Felez Dill 20 F ? 1840
Joseph Dill 1 M Missouri 1858
456 - Jane D. Dill 47 F Tennessee 1819
David J. Dill 21 M Tennessee 1839
Lucy M. Dill 14 F Missouri 1846
Polley Dill 7 F Missouri 1853
Rebecca Harvey 30 F Tennessee 1830
Thomas 7 m Missouri 1853
Joseph has personal property valued at $115. He is a farmer. Jane lives in a separate house. She
has real estate valued at $1000 and personal property valued at $290. She is listed a Housework
under occupation, David is listed as Farm Hand, and Rebecca is listed as House Hand.
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Thomas is 7 years old, giving his birth year as 1852. This would appear to be the correct year. Now we know that which ever Harvey Rebecca married, he died before 1860.
The Dill family was located in Dallas County in the 1850 census. This census now locates the Harvey family in Dallas County. The Harvey 1850 census (Ref 1) in Dallas County lists the location only as District #26, a location which cannot be determined today. The Dill family in 1850 is also located in District #26, 12 houses down the census list from the Harveys. But from the Dill family 1860 census we know district #26 has become Washington County and the Dill family lives near Long Lane. So (assuming the Dills did not move between 1850 and 1860), the Harvey's lived near Long Lane Missouri in 1850. Since the Dills are from Tennessee, it is possible that the Harveys and the Dills came from Tennessee together. If so, this could help locate the Harveys in Tennessee in the 1820's.
It is clear that the Harvey which Rebecca married cannot be determined from the census records. Her marriage, the birth of Thomas, and the death of her husband all took place between the 1850 and 1860 census.
Since Thomas (Kansas) Harvey met and married Mary J. Fulton in Missouri, we can look for a Fulton family living near the Harveys with a daughter named Mary J.
This family was found in Green County, Taylor Township. This is on the eastern edge of Springfield, Missouri. The distance between this township and Washington township in Webster County where Rebecca Harvey was keeping house in 1870 is about 14 miles as can be seen on the county maps in Reference 1. Note the birth date of Mary J. Fulton as 1857 matches that of Mary J. Harvey in the 1900 census. Also the birth place of William B. Fulton, Mary's father is Tennessee, the birth place of Mary J. Harvey's father in both the 1880 and 1900 census. Rachel Fulton, presumably Mary's mother is also listed as having been born in Tennessee while Mary J. Harvey's mother is listed as having been born in Illinois in the 1880 and 1900 census.
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Dallas County, District #26, Families #527, House #522, Page ?, Stamped Page #345, Line 28-41, Enumerated 18 day jof Oct, 1860. By: R. F. Teak, Ass't Marshal
Family House NAME AGE SEX BIRTHPLACE Est YOB
527 #522 Joseph Dill 44 N Kentucky 1806
Jane Dill 41 F Tennessee 1809
Rebecca E. Dill 20 F Tennessee 1830
L???? M. Dill 14 M Tennessee 1836
David Dill 11 M Tennessee 1839
Elender Dill 7 F Tennessee 1845
528 523 Nimrod Dill 48 M Tennessee 1802
Lucinda Dill 29 F Tennessee 1819
Martha Dill 23 F Tennessee 1827
Joseph Dill 17 M Tennessee 1833
William Dill 15 M Tennessee 1835
Mary Dill 12 F Tennessee 1838
Easter Dill 7 F Missouri 1843
Joseph has personal property valued at #150. He is a Farmer. Numrod and Joseph are listed as farmers. |
The 1860 census was checked for the Fulton Family. In that census Rachel Fulton is listed as having been born in Missouri. From the 1860 census we see Mary's father is William Benjamin Fulton.
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Green County, Taylor Township, Family ___ House ___ Page #255 Stamped Page #___ Line ___ Enumerated ___ Day of ____ 1870
NAME AGE SEX Birthplace Est YOB
William B Fulton 35 Tenn 1835
Rachel Fulton 40 Tenn 1830
Mary J. Fulton 13 MO 1857
John Fulton 11 MO 1859
Joseph Fulton 9 MO 1861
Margrette Fulton 8 MO 1862
David Fulton 5 MO 1865
William Fulton 3 MO 1867
Rachel Fulton 11/12 MO 1869
Estimated Birth by author |
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Green County, Taylor Township, Family #685, House # ___ Page #096, Stamped Page #____, Line ____, Enumerated Day of ___ 1860. By: ___________
NAME AGE SEX Birthplace Est. YOB
685 Benjamin Fulton 25 Tenn 1835
Rachel Fulton 36 MO 1824
Mary Fulton 3 MO 1857
John Fulton 2 MO 1858
Joseph Fulton 2/12 MO 1860
Estimation of birth by author |
We can now say with reasonable confidence which Harvey Rebecca Dill married. The scenario would go like this.
In 1851 (or 1852) Rebecca E. Dill, age 21, marries James Harvey, age 25. The Dills and the Harveys live in the same area near Long Lane post office in Dallas County Missouri. The Dills came from Tennessee as did the Harveys. They may have come together. James' father, probably named Thomas, has died bout three years earlier.
Rebecca and James have their first child in 1852. They named him Thomas after James' father. James dies before 1860, probably not long after Thomas is born since there are no additional children.
In 1873, Thomas, age 20, marries Mary J. Fulton. They stay in Missouri. In 1875 the first child is born to Mary and Thomas. They name the child James, after Thomas' father.
Sometime between 1875 and 1878, possibly after the death of Rebecca, Mary and Thomas move to Kansas. They live not far from Thomas' uncle Pleas (Pleasant) Harvey who lives just across the state line in Webb City, Missouri.
They have a second child, a daughter Birta, in 1878. A second daughter, Buxine is born in
1880. The second son of Mary and Thomas is born in October 1883. They name him after
Mary's father, William.
Please place in the Subject Line:
WEBPAGE-HISTORY
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